Ronnie Miscavige skriver bok: If he dies, he dies


#21

ABCs program 20/20 har tatt for seg boka:

Tony Ortega har to saker om episoden:

http://tonyortega.org/2016/04/29/ron-miscavige-his-book-ruthless-his-nervous-son-and-scientology-watchings-new-reality/

http://tonyortega.org/2016/04/30/a-star-is-born-scientology-attorney-monique-yingling-steals-the-spotlight-on-2020/


#22

Ron Miscavige’s ‘Ruthless’ includes Lisa Marie Presley’s wild defection scene in Florida

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As we expected, Ron Miscavige’s book being released today, Ruthless: Scientology, My Son David Miscavige, and Me, contains a bombshell that should send the celebrity press into a frenzy.

And we revealed it to you two weeks ago.

Ron Miscavige learned in October 2014 that his two daughters, Denise Gentile and Lori Verneuille, had cut him out of their lives permanently on orders from their brother David Miscavige, Scientology’s supreme leader. After Ron confirmed with his son-in-law that Denise (who is David’s twin) never again wanted to see him, he called Lisa Marie Presley.

The famous singer, daughter of Elvis Presley, had grown up in Scientology, but since about 2008 she’d been pulling away from the organization. She had also been talking to Ron about what he was going through since he escaped from Scientology’s International Base near Hemet, California, in 2012.

Lisa Marie was so incensed by what Ron told her about his daughters “disconnecting” from him in the Scientology way, she attempted to have a showdown of her own with David Miscavige at his Florida office. But instead of meeting with her, Miscavige sent Denise and Lori in his stead, and they proceeded to scream at Lisa Marie in an unhinged rant, making accusations about their father Ron and brother Ronnie Jr. in a bizarre scene.

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#23

Tony Ortega la nyss ut eks-scientologen Chris Sheltons anmeldelse av boka. Trykk på lenka for video.

How Ron Miscavige’s Scientology memoir reads to a former Scientologist

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We had our say about Ron Miscavige’s book Tuesday morning at midnight (in London) when it first started to hit your Kindles and other devices.

Now, friend to the Underground Bunker and former Sea Org official Chris Shelton has put together a video with his thoughts on Ruthless: Scientology, My Son David Miscavige, and Me. And you’re getting more than a book review. Chris does a skillful job putting Ron’s book into some historical context, and also looks at its reception in the media and especially the attacks aimed at it by the Church of Scientology.

Give it a listen, and then please tell us your own thoughts about this really important book.

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#24

Bryan Seymour pratet med Ron (video):

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Bryan Seymour with Ron Miscavige, the father of Scientology leader David Miscavige, last week in New York.


#25

Scientologikirken har det med å lage “drittpakker” på kritikere. At kritikerne er familiemedlemmer er ingen hindring. David Miscavige laga nylig ei nettside om sin egen far, Ron Miscavige. Påstandene på denne nettsida ser ikke helt ut til å stemme overens med hva som ble sagt under ed i 1994:

How Scientology’s smears of Ron Miscavige could end up a bigger problem for his son Dave

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Contributor Jeffrey Augustine has taken a close look at Scientology’s over-the-top attacks on Ron Miscavige for this piece today. We think you’re going to find that he unearthed some really eye-opening stuff!

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After my own close look at that material the church has thrown at Ron Miscavige, one thing stood out to me: The glaring contradictions between what David Miscavige said under oath in a 1994 court declaration, and what’s being said about him in the church’s attacks on his father.

In 1994, David Miscavige gave a sworn declaration in a lawsuit that grew out of the 1991 TIME magazine cover story that called Scientology “a thriving cult of greed and power.” The person who wrote that story was Richard Behar, who, like other journalists, described David Miscavige as the man who ran Scientology with an iron fist, and controlled everything down to the smallest detail.

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#26

Marty Rathbun er ikke så fornøyd med boka, visst:

Marty Rathbun defends Scientology leader David Miscavige as he trashes tell-all memoir ‘Ruthless’

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Late last night, Marty Rathbun posted at his blog a lengthy broadside criticizing Ron Miscavige’s memoir, Ruthless: Scientology, My Son David Miscavige, and Me.

The book came out in May and describes how Ron Miscavige introduced his son, church leader David Miscavige, to Scientology in 1969 as they looked for a solution to the 9-year-old’s asthma. The entire family eventually got into Scientology and moved to England to pursue courses and so David could become an auditor. After returning to the US, David got close to Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard and eventually, after Hubbard’s death in 1986, took over the organization. In 1985, Ron, a musician, joined the “Sea Org” and played trumpet and led Scientology’s orchestra, which played frequently at church events around the world. But eventually, as Ron describes in his book, he became disaffected with Scientology under the dictatorial rule of his son, and in March 2012 he and his wife Becky Bigelow escaped from a compound near Hemet, California.

After that escape, Ron learned that his son had assigned private investigators to follow him, and David also instructed his sisters, Denise and Lori, to cut off ties with their father. That’s what motivated him, Ron says, to write his book and reveal what a totalitarian ruler his son had become. His book was a bestseller, and it was featured on a highly watched episode of ABC’s 20/20 program.

But now, Rathbun, who had at one time been the second-highest ranking executive in the church and who has spent years exposing David Miscavige’s shortcomings, has surprisingly come to Dave’s aid, denouncing Ron’s book about his son as full of “hearsay.”

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#27

Co-writer Dan Koon answers accusations about the accuracy of Ron Miscavige’s ‘Ruthless’

[Dan Koon and Mariette Lindstein]

Jeffrey Augustine is back with part two of his interview with former Scientology executive Dan Koon. This time, the two get right into some accusations that have been made about the book that Dan co-wrote with Ron Miscavige, Ruthless: Scientology, My Son David Miscavige, and Me.

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#28

Litt tregt svar om det med injurier:

  • I England må man visstnok bevise at en egne påstander er sanne
  • I USA må man visstnok bevise at motstanderens påstander er løgn
  • I Norge kan man bli dømt for injurier selv om påstandene er sanne

Det siste kan forklares med f.eks. at:

  • A påstår at B er en idiot
  • B går til sak mot A
  • A beviser at B er er en idiot
  • B vinner likevel saken fordi det uansett er injurierende å hevde at noen er en idiot.

Uansett er det forskjellige praksiser i forskjellige stater. Og jeg er heller ingen jurist.

PS: Det meste jeg kan, lærte jeg av boken McLibel: Burger Culture on Trial. Den handler om den lengste rettsaken i engelsk historie: McDonald’s Corporation v Steel & Morris.


#29

Og nå fant jeg frem til en ePub-versjon av boka. :slight_smile:

PS1: En annen bok jeg fikk tak i nå:

Visstnok italiensk!? Men det påstod jo Rolv Wesenlund at Volvo Sonett også var. :grin:

PS2: Er det noen andre enn meg her som leser elektroniske bøker?


#30

Og nå fikk jeg lest boka til Ron Miscavige: «RUTHLESS». Noen små stikkord i den forbindelse:

  • Lettlest og godt skrevet.
  • Likevel mange ord jeg måtte slå opp.
  • Og ikke alt jeg forstod.
  • Noe morsomt og noe skremmende.

Alt i alt merkelig fascinerende!

Og litt absurd hvordan fyren prøver å forklare at det jo likevel er noe verdifullt innen scientologien. For selv om Hubbard stjal og kopierte ting, så var det jo liksom noen nyttine ting som ble stjålet og kopiert. Men det skal kanskje mye til for at noen vil og kan innrømme at de har kastet bort det meste av livet på tullball?

…, og selvsagt, det kan kanskje være et par gullkorn der tross alt … hvis man leter godt … og legger velviljen til … og ikke er så altfor kritisk!? :unamused:


#31

Ja, men jeg har aldri skjønt greia med å “kjøpe” hele tankesystemet når bare noen småting funker. Hvorfor ikke bare ta de småtingene og gå videre? Er generelt sett skeptisk til alle totaliserende tankesystemer, hehe. Mer sansen for en “nomadisk” tilnærming.

Ser jeg har skrevet om akkurat det før

Hvorfor akademikere ikke skriver om scientologi


#32

Hmm? Jeg så på det du hadde skrevet, både nå og tidligere. Og mulig dette blir for komplisert for meg, selv om jeg bruker begge hjernecellene på en gang.

Det bør legges til at jeg stort sett har lav toleranse for filosofi og slikt. I så måte bør jeg kanskje ikke lese en bok jeg nylig lastet ned?

Hvorfor jobbe med å styrke sine egne fordommer? :flushed:


#33

[quote=“rhjinfo, post:30, topic:228”]
Og litt absurd hvordan fyren prøver å forklare at det jo likevel er noe verdifullt innen scientologien. For selv om Hubbard stjal og kopierte ting, så var det jo liksom noen nyttine ting som ble stjålet og kopiert. [/quote]

Aldri fatta den tankegangen der. Blir som å dykke etter gullkorn i en septiktank.


#34

Eller ansette et meget stort antall apekatter for å skrive en oppfølger til Shakespears verker? :unamused:


#35

En mer korrekt sammenligning blir vel å gi dem fri tilgang til et bibliotek og saks og lim.


#36

Av en eller annen grunn kom jeg til å tenke på Arthur C. Clarkes The Nine Billion Names of God.

… , without any fuss, the engrams were going out.